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Heating, air conditioning, and dash upgrade complete

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Heating, air conditioning, and dash upgrade complete

Postby greg pettit on Thu May 22, 2008 1:00 am

Here's what w started with...melted wiring, snipped off connectors, frozen vacuum switches, mice nests in the air plenum, sad chrome, and butt ugly gold on beige dash colors.

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We removed the heater box and air plenum, along with the heat and air controls. After a lot of work, these items were bench tested OK...

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Reinstalled, resealed, and tested the ventilation system:

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Everything worked, so we got to restoring the dash. The car will be black and gray inside, so we got to work on priming and painting.

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Stripped ansd painted the dash insert industrial gray.

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We used spray on vinyl dye to redye the dash pad black.

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Got the dash pad back on, and started reassembly.

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Didn't take any pics of the speedometer overhaul, but while we had it apart we painted the gold backing. Flat black looks better and is easier to read. Also got the safety sentinel working, and customized the fake clock insert with our racing team logo.

Here's the end result.

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We found defroster hose locally at the autoparts store. The defroster vents use 2-1/2" and the a/c vents use 3". The cost was 30 bucks for 6 feet.

Also, the a/c system still had about 1/3 charge of R12 in it. We evacuated that and vacuumed the system down for two hours. Went back in with R134a and got down in the 45 degree range at the vents.

Not bad for a 48 year old car in my opinion!

Next week we will replace the floors, front and rear. We may get the itch to refloor the trunk as well.

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Postby super88dan on Thu May 22, 2008 2:04 am

wanna come pull our dash apart and then put it back together? I don't have the patience to do that. I've got a light out in my speedo. Looks like one of the printed circuits is split. Thought that might be an issue. I've got a complete dash insert.
Any advice?

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Postby greg pettit on Thu May 22, 2008 3:33 am

Dan, I would suggest swapping the bad bulb and socket with another known good one from elsewhere in the cluster.

This can be done with the cluster inplace, and does not require dash disassembly.

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Postby super88dan on Thu May 22, 2008 11:58 am

I've done the bulb thing. No luck.
I don't do much night driving with the car. Mostly sunny days!!

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Postby greg pettit on Thu May 22, 2008 12:54 pm

It looks like the cluster could be removed from under the dash, but it would certainly not be easy.

Removing the upper dash and pad took about two hours, but reinstalling it was a 30 minute job.

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Postby toolbox on Thu May 22, 2008 1:33 pm

:shock: You guys work fast! :o . Looks great! I'll bet that AC works great...it's been my experience that for whatever reason the AC in old cars usually works really well (if it works at all :wink: ). Your dash pad is in surprisingly good shape...mine was a crumbling, mummified mess when I got the car :x . It matched the rest of the interior pretty well. I ended up scraping what was left off with a putty knife :roll: . Rather than try and recover it, I just sanded the whole thing down and painted it with a sort of metallic gunmetal color that was an almost perfect match to the factory paint on some of the interior trim. It's kind of hard to see in this pic...this was just after I painted the whole dash area. The underside of the dash was just painted in the original color, and the center area paint was good enough to just leave alone and polish a little.

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As for Dans problem...I'm pretty sure you can't get the speedo cluster out from the back (I tried). There just too much stuff in the way. If there really is a break in pcb, it might be possible to repair it with a blob of solder...the traces on it are pretty big. Best bet is probably just to use either a replacement cluster or pcb though.

Let us know how the floors go. I recently saw some replacement panels on eFray...they had left and right fronts and a center trunk section. Unless you're worried about keeping the original stamped contours it would be cheaper just to form your own though. I got lucky on the trunk...it was actually very solid. The chevy small block someone left in there must have leaked enough goop to form a rust preventing protective layer :) .
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Postby greg pettit on Thu May 22, 2008 3:07 pm

Wow, that dash looks great, man! I like how you got rid of the dash pad. That looks factory, nice work.

I would rather put in pre stamped floors than fab my own, s long as the cost wasn't too far out of line.

Did the floors you saw on ebay specify '60 olds, or do other floors fit our cars?

I would guess the early fullsize GM floors are practically identical, but assumptions like that are not always accurate.

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Postby toolbox on Thu May 22, 2008 3:46 pm

Thanks! I had the paint mixed by a local auto paint shop...they can mix anything you want and pump it into an regular spray can. The mixed the upper dash color by a color chart they had for '60 GM, but they had to mix the lower color by just matching a piece I brought in to a color chip...we couldn't figure out what code to use for it. I brought in the piece from the bottom of the steering column, so I knew it wasn't faded. Both are nice metallic colors. I got pretty good at spraying metallic paint by the end of it :) . I also did all the interior parts that are painted, and they also came out really nice.

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Also had to make my own kick panels, and used the same paint on them. The originals were pretty rotten.

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The floor panels I saw on ebay were for '59 and '60 Olds. Under the skin, '59 and '60 Oldsmobiles are identical...styled very differently, but mechanically they're sisters. Other GM '60 floors might very well be the same, but I can't say for sure...there were a lot of parts that were shared by Olds, Pontiac, Buick (and some Cadillac too). Windshields, windows, rocker panels all were shared across the different lines for the most part, so it's possible the floors might work (or at least be close enough to make it work).

I looked this morning for them, but I didn't see them in the current auctions...here's a closed one though:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=140231550933

I looked at his other auctions, and it looks like all they sell are replacement panels for different cars...pretty big variety. If they're at least 18 gauge and fit reasonably well these could be a real time saver. They also sell a trunk pan section, but I don't think I saved that auction (didn't see it this morning either).

If you do decide to get these, let us know how they work out...if they're good quality it would be a real help to a lot of guys. I've seen a lot of '60s with bad floors...
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Postby toolbox on Thu May 22, 2008 5:44 pm

Oh and one other thing...interesting treatment with the clock delete. The contrast with the yellow really makes it pop. I'm still looking for one of those "clock delete" pods... I keep wondering if it would be possible to find a tach that would fit in there. I could make numbers for it without too much trouble, and I'm pretty sure I could find a font that would pretty close to the other numbers they used on the speedo cluster. I think it would be really cool to have a tach there that looks original. I'd keep the clock so I could switch back if I wanted to, but since the clock doesn't work it would be fun to have something there that does. I actually tried to repair the clock years ago...I traced the problem to a broken wire in the winding solenoid. The wires in that winding are so find I wasn't able to solder it :( . Oh well...I know rebuilt clocks are available if I really wanted one, but the cost is too much for my blood. I guess I could always try and convert the one I have to a quartz movement too...
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Postby toolbox on Fri May 23, 2008 1:10 pm

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Postby greg pettit on Fri May 23, 2008 1:32 pm

Thanks, Scott!

I emailed the seller yesterday after I checked out your first link. He said he would throw some pans up on ebay, man he didn't waste any time.

The only roblem I see is the cost. The auctions are for each pan, not a pair.

Oh well, it's only money, right? LOL.....

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Postby toolbox on Fri May 23, 2008 1:54 pm

Yep, it's only money :mrgreen: . Actually, making my own wasn't as cheap as I thought it would be...the cost of steel has gone way up the last few years. Wish I could remember what I paid for it...I bought a 2x2 sheet of cold rolled 18 gauge. I also had to have a hat channel custom bent to replace the one I cut out when I was young and dumb, and that cost quite a bit more than I thought it would. It came out great though...I actually measured right and the new support welded right up to the stub of the old one. I think it was 14 gauge. Now that I'm older and dumb, if I was going to do it over again I would do a smaller repair and leave the floor support alone :oops: .
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Postby KustomOlds98 on Sat May 24, 2008 10:12 pm

you guys are some really crafty cats! i couldn't imagine the joy and happiness of having a working a/c, an actual dash pad [mines non-existant] and did i read something about the defrosters working? :shock: :D

i love these cars, keep up the great work!
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Postby rocket60 on Fri May 30, 2008 9:52 am

Hey you're resourceful and smart guys ! What a good job. I will have some questions to ask you as I planed to restore the heating both in my coupe and the flatroof.
I had a look under the dashboard of each car. It seams to me that all the hoses and wires were untouched (upon what I saw in the shop manual). However the defroster, heater and ventilation don't work anymore. :(
The depression hose in the engine compartment was cut (in each car) before the fuel pump. I should begin to rebuild and reconnect the depression line properly before doing anything else. Don't you think so ?
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Postby toolbox on Fri May 30, 2008 3:49 pm

rocket60 wrote:Hey you're resourceful and smart guys ! What a good job. I will have some questions to ask you as I planed to restore the heating both in my coupe and the flatroof.
I had a look under the dashboard of each car. It seams to me that all the hoses and wires were untouched (upon what I saw in the shop manual). However the defroster, heater and ventilation don't work anymore. :(
The depression hose in the engine compartment was cut (in each car) before the fuel pump. I should begin to rebuild and reconnect the depression line properly before doing anything else. Don't you think so ?


Definetly connect the vacuum line to the pump and see what happens. If they still don't work, it looks like Greg should be able to tell you anything you need to know :P . I'd say he's probably the resident expert :) .
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